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[mx_599]

where can i ask some basic questions without getting flammed??

[Anon.]

Beginner's Area? Here if it's worthwhile or not been answered before (use the search...)?

[mx_599]

Beginner's Area? Here if it's worthwhile or not been answered before (use the search...)?

will i get exposure from those experienced in the beginner forum?

[Youngr51]

What the hells the ?

[Anon.]

will i get exposure from those experienced in the beginner forum?

Seems to be the case, yeah...

[trauma100]

you could ask said questions here ya noob faggot :momaru:

[mx_599]

okay..i turned to you trials guys for help, please don't disappoint me like the teenagers on the bmx forums. i will try to keep this to the point.

i want a bmx sized bike just to play around on...i do not plan on racing. however, i absolutely want disc brakes...just because i want them.

one member alreadly kindly led me to some trials forks for 20" rims with brake tabs. i was hoping something like that existed because they sure don't in the bmx world.

the rear is another issue. i am considering the brake therapy adapter...any opinions on this product please share.

i started to look at the trials frames at webcyclery. i like them and i am not opposed to learning about trials. i have always like motorcycle trials. i will be the first to admit i am not committed to trials though. therefore, the frames with no seats were not attractive at this time.

1)do many trials guys use bmx frames anyways? or are there trials frames that have a seat/post and brake tabs in the rear?

2) are there frames out there for trials or bmx that have brake tabs in the rear? or not really?

okay...i think you guys know what i am after. i hope you can help a fellow cyclist and not flame me.

summary: bmx bike with disc brakes...how best to achieve this?

(other online stores like webcyclery, links, etc)

thanks everyone...let me know if you have any follow up questions

[mx_599]

you could ask said questions here ya noob faggot :momaru:
thanks...i can see i am not going to get any help from the trials forum either

[trialsin usa]

Monty has dual disc mod (20") trials bikes/frames. Koxx will have one soon enough.......

[trauma100]

where can i ask some basic questions without getting flammed??
that was the most appropriate reply :D

a few answers;

dont be afraid to commit!

dual disc's your pretty limited ... I would look into a monty frame w/disc mount ..I dont know enough about the therapy to comment on it

no one uses a bmx frame for trials..... totally wrong geo.

Disc for bmx/street is overkill IMO... if your serious about getting into trials look for a used frame....... maggies/canty's on a 20" will be just as good:D

[toyota200x]

26 inch wheeled bikes can be flickable to. Planet X might be what your after. Also don't be afraid to commit. You can have BMX style on a trials frame.:)

[mx_599]

hey thanks everyone! sorry i was on the defense but the bmx forum was down right ridiculous. i have a motocross background and simply like disc brakes. i have them on my mtb and will never go back. i totally understand that maggies/cantis are enough, but that is not the point. i just want disc brakes. hahahah now i am sounding like a whinning brat.

i actually found a few photos on your guys forum here with riders using the Brake Therapy adapter. i thought maybe it was common in the trials crowd.

i thought about the planet x bikes and 26" but i feel like i am getting more towards my mtb. the point of getting a new bike was for something totally different.

the only thing i didn't like about the trials frame was the lack of seat. i realize that is the whole point and necessary for some maneuvers. but like i said...this bike will mostly be used around the small town i am in and on campus.

so...the main idea was to have a bmx looking bike (a throwback to my younger years). i didn't want to lean towards the mtb DJ because then i am just getting more towards my mtb.

i hope all that makes sense. i hope i can count on this forum for some future advice too. i think i am on to something with the advice so far.

any other online stores with a selection similar to webcyclery?

[Lagerhead]

I know you've said you want to stay away from a 26" bike because of the similarities to your MTB (I'm assuming it's a Schwinn Homegrown). But if you want dual disc and (at least) a marginally functional seat, I think you should at least look into something like a PlanetX. The difference between a MTB and what is now considered a "street trials" bike is huge. Even the DJ type bikes are very un-XC like.
Also, a 20" Trials bike is very limited as far as gearing goes. Bmx bikes are geared way higher.
Also also, If a 26" trials bike breaks, most of the time you can fix it/get parts at your favorite bike shop. (locally)

[mx_599]

I know you've said you want to stay away from a 26" bike because of the similarities to your MTB (I'm assuming it's a Schwinn Homegrown). But if you want dual disc and (at least) a marginally functional seat, I think you should at least look into something like a PlanetX. The difference between a MTB and what is now considered a "street trials" bike is huge. Even the DJ type bikes are very un-XC like.
Also, a 20" Trials bike is very limited as far as gearing goes. Bmx bikes are geared way higher.
Also also, If a 26" trials bike breaks, most of the time you can fix it/get parts at your favorite bike shop. (locally) yeah...i know you're right...i guess i really just wanted the 20" wheels more or less

i have a lot of planning still...i will look at them again. i know there is a YETI DJ i like

keep any ideas coming if you have them...any websites?? so far only webcyclery is big on trials??

[Ebon Dragon]

What is your budget? you can always look into a custom frame with disc mounts and a seat. Another thing I would look into is that I remember ashton bikes was looking to make a mod version of their justice frame which is disc compatible and has a mototrials like seat. About the therapy adaptors, the only case i've seen of one failing was goose's norco tt and that was because of the weak vee brake mounts. (you can prob find it in a search here).

-ps- If you are looking to get serious into trials I would stay away from bmx/any non trials geo

[mx_599]

What is your budget? you can always look into a custom frame with disc mounts and a seat. Another thing I would look into is that I remember ashton bikes was looking to make a mod version of their justice frame which is disc compatible and has a mototrials like seat. About the therapy adaptors, the only case i've seen of one failing was goose's norco tt and that was because of the weak vee brake mounts. (you can prob find it in a search here).

-ps- If you are looking to get serious into trials I would stay away from bmx/any non trials geo

money is not too much of a problem...i am not rich, i was just going to use some of my financial aid from school

who makes the custom frames??

[tomacropod]

do you want a BMX bike or a street bike or a trials bike or what? I'm confused. Maybe it's the Placebo lyrics in your sig. They are so annoying they're confusing.

- Joel

[mx_599]

do you want a BMX bike or a street bike or a trials bike or what? I'm confused. Maybe it's the Placebo lyrics in your sig. They are so annoying they're confusing.

- Joel
joel...that is kate bush "runnning up that hill (make a deal with god)". pretty cool alternative song from the 80's

i know i am confusing everyone. appreciate the patience and letting me post here and pick your minds.

i think at this time i need a bmx frame more or less. i am not going to race though. mostlly just putzing around on.

would it be okay to use the mod fork on a bmx more or less?? shouldn't most of the geometry come from the head angle? i know some will be in the fork...but overall??

i am only about 135lbs. so the bike won't see as much abuse as a heavier rider. however, someone mentioned the capabilities of a mod fork. they look pretty strong for my needs...what do you guys think?

so it seems my best solution if i absolutely have to have 20" wheels and disc brakes would be a bmx frame, Brake Therapy adapter, and a mod fork

does this seem like an okay idea for just a "fun" bike with no particular type of riding planned???

:)

[AndyT]

I've never seen paragraphs/posts with that sort of order. I am astounded.

[Elan]

why do you want to make a bmx bike into a trials bike? start out with a mod, its going to be 20000X easier, and its going to ride 200000X better.

[Ebon Dragon]

I think he just wants to ride bmx but wants to run a disc configuration and figures a mod fork and therapy adaptor would be the easiest way to get these results..

[Youngr51]

Just buy the bmx bike you want and have tabs put on it. Probley cost a little it will be what you want.

[jamesb]

24 inch!!! It is so popular for street-trials in the UK and people use them for BMX stuff too. Check out Peyto, and Leeson bikes. Peyto is a custom frame maker I think.

Download a vid of a street trials rider to see what is possible. A recent vid named TM2 has tons in it.

Do that or go all out trials with a mod!

[raimund-aut]

if you really want 20" and rear disc tab, look for a brisa mod

I think that it is the only one with disc tab and seat

[KoxxLevelRider]

if you can afford it without selling a kidney, id prob go with the new dual disc monty.

[AgrAde]

you can NOT merge a bmx and a 20" trials bike. you'll end up with something that rides like arse for everything. 20" trials forks are longer than a bmx fork and will destroy the ride of the frame. bmx frames, wheels, bars are all crap for everything but bmx.

if you're wanting something streety and different, with disks, that you can fuck around on and do some trials when you want get a 24".
i'm sorry to say, but your current idea is a very bad one.

[mx_599]

I think he just wants to ride bmx but wants to run a disc configuration and figures a mod fork and therapy adaptor would be the easiest way to get these results..

correct...but i don't plan on racing the bmx either. if the mod fork is more or less "straight", won't the angle be coming from the steering head of the frame? so this would probably work...right?

i was looking at a website out of the uk, tarty bikes or something, they had good pictures of the mod forks. they didn't say the steerer diameter though.

are they usually 1" or 1 1/8" ?

[mx_599]

you can NOT merge a bmx and a 20" trials bike. you'll end up with something that rides like arse for everything. 20" trials forks are longer than a bmx fork and will destroy the ride of the frame. bmx frames, wheels, bars are all crap for everything but bmx.

if you're wanting something streety and different, with disks, that you can fuck around on and do some trials when you want get a 24".
i'm sorry to say, but your current idea is a very bad one.

okay...i appreciate the info. that is what i needed to hear. i am just exploring ideas. i only know about mountain bikes.

[Ebon Dragon]

Mod forks are usually/all 1 1/8". I didn't know that mod forks were longer than BMX forks and now that I do i'd advise against it because it will probably ride like shit. One solution as said before is that you can get a bmx fork and get a custom frame maker to weld some disc tabs on for you (shouldn't cost that much).

[tomacropod]

mod forks are much longer than BMX forks. On BMX bikes the front tyre is less than a half inch from the crown typically, on mod forks it's three inches from the crown. You can put a 26" wheel into a mod fork.

Anyway, I would absolutely not recommend mixing BMX and trials bikes for the important bits. Frames and forks are 2 parts of one unit, they are built for each other and shouldn't be mixed. If you want a BMX with dual discs your best bet is to either get something like the norco 1hun I used to have (24" BMX with dual disc brakes, great fun, super heavy) or get some disc tabs welded on to an existing 20" BMX frameset (they're steel, so it won't be hard - get a few quotes from framebuilders and you'll be surprised at how cheap it will be).

The expense will be in switching BMX wheels over to disc wheels. Easy for the front but you may find it very difficult to get a 110mm spaced, 10 or 14mm axle rear disc hub. I don't know of any. Profile or Chris King may be able to make up something custom for you, or you could try and get a threaded disc mount machined for the flop side of a flip/flop hub.

- Joel

[mx_599]

mod forks are much longer than BMX forks. On BMX bikes the front tyre is less than a half inch from the crown typically, on mod forks it's three inches from the crown. You can put a 26" wheel into a mod fork.

Anyway, I would absolutely not recommend mixing BMX and trials bikes for the important bits. Frames and forks are 2 parts of one unit, they are built for each other and shouldn't be mixed. If you want a BMX with dual discs your best bet is to either get something like the norco 1hun I used to have (24" BMX with dual disc brakes, great fun, super heavy) or get some disc tabs welded on to an existing 20" BMX frameset (they're steel, so it won't be hard - get a few quotes from framebuilders and you'll be surprised at how cheap it will be).

The expense will be in switching BMX wheels over to disc wheels. Easy for the front but you may find it very difficult to get a 110mm spaced, 10 or 14mm axle rear disc hub. I don't know of any. Profile or Chris King may be able to make up something custom for you, or you could try and get a threaded disc mount machined for the flop side of a flip/flop hub.

- Joel thanks joel

i contacted standard, fit, and staat bmx frame makers via e-mail to see if they would tab a frame and forks for me. i hope they take me seriously. it would be awesome if the would because then i could ask them to leave the cable and brake bosses off the frame. this won't be any extra work for them.

if you make elongated holes in the rear tabs with horizontal dropouts you can still get enough fore and aft movement to make the chain tight. i have seen this on horizontal mtb frames so i know it works.

i am afraid they will all say no due to liability reasons or not having the jigs to do it. i hope this is not the case. what do you think? do you know of any other bmx frame builders i can email? macneil already said in their faq's that they don't do custom frames.

thanks for the info on fork crown to axle distances...i was unaware.

[tomacropod]

you're better off going to a custom MTB framebuilder who deals with disc mounts and knows the ISO standards. Any mtb framebuilder who works with singlespeed frames a bit will know how to mount a disc tab for horizontal dropouts.

- Joel