EA70 vs TA (bar question)

[ONLY]

I have a bar question. Now i ride Easton EA70 low rise, but wanna buy riser Try-All bar. The question is: what should i expect? EA70 is 695 mm, that is much shoter then 740 mm's TA. What would be easier to do, and what harder to do, if i had TA bar? Thank you!

[Ross W.]

well obviously, it'll be harder to get through tight spots. Low speed handling might improve. I figure pretty much, the wider the better. But what do I know? Not really sure what it would do for trialsy stuff.

[bylsma]

Just get the TryAlls, cut them down if you find them too wide.

[manimal]

you'll get more stability, and maybe better balance (or easier to achieve) atleast thats what I found. might feel as though you'll have more elbow room too.

I also found it was a little wierd at first, but felt better once I got used to it (only a couple of minutes ride time). I'd say go for it!

[BrettM]

Just get the TryAlls, cut them down if you find them too wide.
Thats what I thought...

I went from Easton to Try All for all of 3 or so rides before I had to get them off the bike. The most un natural feeling bar I've ever ridden. I wanted to flip it upside down so it might feel like a handlebar.

[chronic]

They felt that bad?

[Elan]

they feel awesome.

[dingus]

no kidding, I guess some people just dont mesh with them. I havent cut mine at all and I think it may be the most intuitive bar Ive felt. The tryall that is.
Its wierd to me that it doenst even feel wide.

[hello?]

i run a planet x bar but i ahve tried some other peoples try-all bars and i really like them. i would say go for it and get the try-all bars.

[Elan]

i rode my dirtbike today, those bars are wide

[Boo_Berry]

i hav a roox torque, which is a little wider or maybe not wider than a TA, i wish i had gotten the TA though

[ONLY]

Thats what I thought...

I went from Easton to Try All for all of 3 or so rides before I had to get them off the bike. The most un natural feeling bar I've ever ridden. I wanted to flip it upside down so it might feel like a handlebar.

But Brett, EAs have the same rise as TAs. What do you mean? TA feels unnatural coz of its big lenght?

[tomacropod]

sweep perhaps. he is accustomed to having back sweep.

- Joel

[lucky13]

yea, it's all about the angle of sweep and rise. The TA's have ZERO sweep, just a few degrees rise. They feel ,.. straight.

Don't even bother with the EA70s I bent those on my first ride out with em,..

I wish I could go back to some azonics with the lowest height rise possible, they have a comfy sweep and enough width.

[DRUM]

back sweep on a bar is the grossest feeling ever.

i got aznoic doublewalls and they got some serious sweep so i got em rotated forward so the sleep is like a rise.

[bylsma]

Personally, I'll never by any bar other than the EC70 DH. They're expensive, but they're strong as hell and the feel of carbon fibre is amazing. At 710mm wide they may work well since they'll fell very similar to your EA70's but give that extra width you seem to be looking for.

[BrettM]

But Brett, EAs have the same rise as TAs. What do you mean? TA feels unnatural coz of its big lenght?
My Try All doesn't have the same rise as my EA. Maybe the same as the lowest rise EA. I cut the Try All down to 27 before even trying at 29 because I hate the really wide bars, takes the feel out of riding the bike.

The gross thing for me is the bar sweeps down. It puts your hand at an un natural angle. If you ever did some sort of goofy test to figure out where the best bends on a bar should be for ergonomics sake the EA would win by a long long shot over the Try All. The Try All is nothing more than a wide piece of metal. There is no design behind it other than that.

Weird story so you know its not just me, but at the last comp a dude snapped his bars during the demos. He went from EAs to Try Alls and I rode by right as he felt his for the first time and he was even less impressed than I am.

Back to the original question tho. Why would you want to go from basically the strongest per gram bar out there to one with no quality and heavy in comparison? Get some metal extensions made or just use wood ones if you want the extra width.

[DanBowhers]

My try all bar (first generation) scared me, Jeremy V-S heard my bar and saw the flex and was pretty worried for me. Luckilly Mike Umbarger is still riding that bar today?

The Easton bar would be the bar of choice if your doing more urban and such. I love mine, but for pure trials a bit of extra width is rad. You will love backwheel stability, pedal kicking, overall balance.

[ONLY]

I'll do as Brett said. Thanks for good advice dude!

[dingus]

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Weird story so you know its not just me, but at the last comp a dude snapped his bars during the demos. He went from EAs to Try Alls...

...Why would you want to go from basically the strongest per gram bar out there to one with no quality and heavy in comparison?
Kinda ironic huh. His really strong bars broke and when he went to a bar with totally diff. geo. the first time he got on them he felt awkward?

[BrettM]

Kinda ironic huh. His really strong bars broke and when he went to a bar with totally diff. geo. the first time he got on them he felt awkward?Of course its ironic. But its not fact like you may be suggesting???

Yes he broke strong bars. Hes pro and has been for a few years. The bars have been around. Even the best stuff breaks.

All I was saying is I personally think the bars feel horrible and if you ever got someone to do some kind of test for the perfect angles and sweeps the Try Alls would fail miserably and the down sweep is going the complete opposite way I'm sure. They are also relatively high priced for an off the shelf Taiwan product, are heavy, and I have no idea about strength but they won't touch the EA70. All I wanted to do was to suggest the kid put some extensions in his current bars if he wants longer.

You could get used to riding a dirt jump frame for trials if you want to. It doesn't mean that its a great idea tho.

Its sort of like owning a Ferrari and then buying a Kia just because you don't want a red car.

[ONLY]

hmmm i'm not a kid, mr. BrettM! but anyway thanks for replies

[AndyT]

I think the most ironic thing is that no one in this thread has even ridden try-all riser bars. Unless TRA or benito posted in here, and I didn't see them.

[BrettM]

hmmm i'm not a kid, mr. BrettM! but anyway thanks for replies
Haha. Sorry dude, just a figure of speech for me.

As for not riding a riser from Try All it has its name on and does rise. Its not a flat bar thats for sure.

[lucky13]

I think the most ironic thing is that no one in this thread has even ridden try-all riser bars. Unless TRA or benito posted in here, and I didn't see them.So there is a new model out? Something other than the Tryall Yourself Replica's?

Andy, have you riden that bar? What's it like? Rise? Angle up sweep, angle backsweep?

TRA is probly out riding (why no posting) like the rest of us should,.. (crossing fingers for weather tomorrow morning)

jOeL

[afrobot]

My Try All doesn't have the same rise as my EA. Maybe the same as the lowest rise EA. I cut the Try All down to 27 before even trying at 29 because I hate the really wide bars, takes the feel out of riding the bike.

The gross thing for me is the bar sweeps down. It puts your hand at an un natural angle. If you ever did some sort of goofy test to figure out where the best bends on a bar should be for ergonomics sake the EA would win by a long long shot over the Try All. The Try All is nothing more than a wide piece of metal. There is no design behind it other than that.

Weird story so you know its not just me, but at the last comp a dude snapped his bars during the demos. He went from EAs to Try Alls and I rode by right as he felt his for the first time and he was even less impressed than I am.

Back to the original question tho. Why would you want to go from basically the strongest per gram bar out there to one with no quality and heavy in comparison? Get some metal extensions made or just use wood ones if you want the extra width.
You ride a bike with a seat ,of course you hate bars designed for competition type trials. Bars swept back are thuper for XC and douchey freeriding . The try-all bars do sweep back. When you are on your rear wheel , they seep back. The easton
they sweep down.

Wooden bar extension!! Fucking mint!!!! :nuts:

[BrettM]

You ride a bike with a seat ,of course you hate bars designed for competition type trials. Bars swept back are thuper for XC and douchey freeriding . The try-all bars do sweep back. When you are on your rear wheel , they seep back. The easton
they sweep down.

Wooden bar extension!! Fucking mint!!!! :nuts:
The bars sweep fucking down unless you are halfway through a back flip. I don't care aboots the backsweep that is fine. The bars do not sweep up unless you mount them upside down. That makes absolutely zero sense.

The other thing you said that is retarded is that they are designed for competition type trials like they aren't pulled from a taiwan catalogue that has never heard of trials.

I roll my Eastons way forward to get rid of most of the back sweep. I have the backsweep set up quite comparable on the Eastons and the Try Alls. I feel like I am repeating myself, probably because I am, but the back sweep is not the fucking problem. Its the no up sweep, they slope fucking down. There is no down sweep on my Eastons no matter what wheel I'm on and how.

I ride a bike with a seat because I like to and it doesn't bother me. My bike with the Try Alls I designed 100 percent for pure comp type riding. No cross over at all. I have the other bike for that now.

I still don't see whats wrong with wooden bar extensions. They will last longer than just aboots any trials product on the market.

[bwagner]

I'm thinking that the only issue with the wooden extensions would be getting them to stay put. I have some aluminum ones I made to stretch my bars .75 on each side and I like them a lot. if you were talking about a three inch extension, maybe the wood wouldn't be great, but for an inch or so it'll be abaolutely fine. I'd like to see anyone anywhere try to break a one inch long, 7/8ths diameter dowl in half. they would also act as bar ends too:) You'd just have to glue them in I guess


Oh, and not that my opinion is very valued by anyone on this board, but the try all bars I've ridden before absolutely sucked ass, you might be more comfortable on a broom handle, then you could just cut it to any length you want:dunno: :barf:

[BrettM]

I'm thinking that the only issue with the wooden extensions would be getting them to stay put. I have some aluminum ones I made to stretch my bars .75 on each side and I like them a lot. if you were talking about a three inch extension, maybe the wood wouldn't be great, but for an inch or so it'll be abaolutely fine. I'd like to see anyone anywhere try to break a one inch long, 7/8ths diameter dowl in half. they would also act as bar ends too:) You'd just have to glue them in I guess


Oh, and not that my opinion is very valued by anyone on this board, but the try all bars I've ridden before absolutely sucked ass, you might be more comfortable on a broom handle, then you could just cut it to any length you want:dunno: :barf:
Aluminum is definately the way to go, but for an inch or so on either side wood will work just fine. Like you said they are hard to break. For the question on how you make them stay in you just taper them to press in with a bit of a hit from a rubber mallet.

Something I forgot to mention above is also why the hell would you design a bar to feel right only on the back wheel. I mean what all is that good for. Hopping from concrete cyclinder to concrete cylinder I guess. What about the other 90 percent of the time you are doing real riding on some crazy rocks? Just put up with an annoying bar until you can get to rear wheel to bust out that gap?

[bwagner]

BrettM,
I guess you and I are the only ones here who ride our bikes between spots, or even ride them any other way than on the rear wheel for that matter. I personally run Old Monty flat bars with the sweep upward, but hated the feel of those try-all bars .They felt like they were a pair of bent cross country bars to me, oh well, each his own i guess

[Elan]

BrettM,
I guess you and I are the only ones here who ride our bikes between spots, or even ride them any other way than on the rear wheel for that matter. I personally run Old Monty flat bars with the sweep upward, but hated the feel of those try-all bars .They felt like they were a pair of bent cross country bars to me, oh well, each his own i guess
riding around boudler or fort collins or longmont one might put 5 miles on their trials bike on a good day.

when i first tried try-all bars i thought they were the most horrible, unatural things ever, then idecided to get used to them, and best decision since try-all shoes.... its all personal preference though. some people just dont like them. cant say it matters much.

[afrobot]

It's not a matter of always being on your rear wheel. If you are seated you want your bars swept back If your body is positioned above the bar yo want them swept up.
Basically you want your bars and levers to position you with your wrist strait in your most common position .
Ok so you roll your xc bars forward,sorry to piss you off.:ugh:

[BrettM]

If your body is positioned above the bar yo want them swept up.

You are saying exactly what I am saying, but yet you disagree with me. The Try All's do not sweep up one bit no matter how you place them in the stem. THEY SWEEP DOWN! Have I gotten this across yet?

They aren't the greatest bar for getting the proper wrist angles or whatever you would want. I am not saying the Easton is either, I am just saying it feels better to me than the the Try All.

I have probably 30 - 40 hours of trials riding on the Try All and I can't stand it. It might have to do with I've been riding a mtb bar always except for a year with a Brisa bar. (which is quite a lot different but I can change over from a mtb to a Brisa style rise in a matter of minutes and not notice it feeling weird)

By all means if you like the way the Try All feels then ride it, you would be an idiot not to. I was just putting a different opinion out there and backing it up with why.

[nyctrials]

Why don't you just try it ? It's like $55, not that expenisve.
I know to take off the magura levers is a hassle because of the grip, but at least you will feel the difference between the 2 bars. I ride Monty, Echo and also tryall bars. Tryall feels flat compared to the others, but the bike feels more stable. Where do you live? If you are around NYC you are welcome to try it.

[AndyT]

my try alls don't sweep down, but maybe i bent them during those last 4 rides this year.



you want to feel completely fucked up bars? Try some easton monkey carbon DH bars...holy shit I had dreams where my hands where disfigured from riding with them so long, the wierdest position ever.

[dingus]

can we see a pic of TA's sweeping down?

I must be confused because no matter how I look at mine they have a gentle sweep upward. They are not on upside down. I know the first time I tried them they gave the impression not only of forward sweep but perhaps also of down simply because of the total lack of back sweep and the extreme width.

I think if a test were done to figure out the perfect geo. (wrist angles, sweep etc.) for a bar the researchers would conclude that it depends upon the individual and stop right then.

[bwagner]

riding around boudler or fort collins or longmont one might put 5 miles on their trials bike on a good day.

best decision since try-all shoes.... its all personal preference though. some people just dont like them. cant say it matters much.hey Elan.............how are the shoes?? Are they sized closely to US sizes? I'm thinking I wear like a 43 european. I'm very interested in a pair of those, but have rather wide american feet, and wouldn't want to order them for no reason.

[AndyT]

the monkey carbon dh bars sweep up...then where your hand goes it goes down :rofl:

[Elan]

hey Elan.............how are the shoes?? Are they sized closely to US sizes? I'm thinking I wear like a 43 european. I'm very interested in a pair of those, but have rather wide american feet, and wouldn't want to order them for no reason.
i wear usually size 12 shoes, so graham said try-alls wear a little large i think ,so i got size 11 try-alls ,which are like eu 44 i think?

my feet arent wide, but the shoe isnt stiff at all and pretty much stretches where ever you need it to so it may very well work for you. but i dont know if its worth spending $100 on shoes that you dont know if they will fit. but you can probably resell them bvecause that is a popular size.

id say if you can get a better review from some other fat footed fool, and get a pair that fits, then go for it, because they are sweet...

that being said, cole almost killed me for mine, and he is like 2X the size of me. :dunno:

[bylsma]

the monkey carbon dh bars sweep up...then where your hand goes it goes down :rofl:
I love those bars, but maybe it's because my hands are used to something else with a weird curve to it :ugh: .


I know to take off the magura levers is a hassle because of the grip,

You must be quite the mechanic.

[nyctrials]

Hey bylsma,

Your grips are glued or fixed to the bar right ? Should be. So if you want to take off the HS33 magura levelers you have to slide them down on the bar end. For that you have to take the grips off. Now that's the hassle.. don't you think ? I have seen in shops they do it with compressed air, that I don't have at home. Do you have any other good solution? I always thought it's kinda stupid that the HS33 levers does not have the kind of clamps that the Magura Gustav has, which you can take off without taking the grips off.
Off course if you are riding then there is no hassle. If you are experimenting with bars and you use HS33 levers, then it could take some time taking off putting back grips. That's all I meant.

[bylsma]

I wrap a layer of grip tape on the bar where the grips go before putting them on. They don't budge when riding, but easily go off and on with an air compressor. If you don't have one I guess that would be a pain in the ass.

[nyctrials]

bylsma

Ok, so I need an air compressor. Would that CO2 pump thing work? You know the one they make for quick tire inflation. (http://www.innovationsaz.com/INmain.asp?Option=CatList&Category=bike&SubCategory=power)

[AndyT]

you don't need a fucking compressor. Take a screw driver, put it down the grip- pour water down that little opening, continue around the grip and it will come off. Unless you have pussy woman hands and you can't tug it off.

[BrettM]

you don't need a fucking compressor. Take a screw driver, put it down the grip- pour water down that little opening, continue around the grip and it will come off. Unless you have pussy woman hands and you can't tug it off.
I've been working on bikes for years now and own a tool to do absolutely everything you'd ever want to do and some you won't even be able to guess what they are for, and I have a screwdriver and a cup sitting in my shed just for taking grips off. By the time you grab the compressor hose and get it going I'll have those grips off the good old way.

[tybikes]

If you're all gonna sit here and bitch about how much up/back sweep a bar has, then I suppose you need to measure the angle at which you have your bars rotated (relative to vertical). And then you'd want to take into account the angle that your brake levers are at. Then, using a precise mathematical formula, calculate exactly how wide your bars should be, relative to the width of your shoulders.

Or you could just realize that everyone has different personal preferences when it comes to this sort of stuff and just tinker with your own bike until you find what works for you. Personally, I think a bar with 4* backsweep is a happy medium, but nobody seems to make 'em.

EDIT- so basically just go out and ride your bikes. Its spring time now most everywhere in NA, so go ride damnit!

[nyctrials]

Ok, thanks guys, that's exactly what I was doing, prying it down with screwdriver and water, but felt kinda unprofessional to me. But if this is the way then it's gooooooooood.

[Elan]

just dont scratch your bars and always wear eye protection.

[ONLY]

ohh shit! Guys! slow down!
I'm sure that the TA Urself replica have the same rise as EA70 low rise. So its realy good idea to get extensions, i'll do them from alu or wood. But i doubt, what sort of wood is better?

[bylsma]

tree

[Ross W.]

You must only use Eucalyptus.