So Australia is moving to UCI next year.

[hydroboy]

I have to say im looking foward to it, as long as sections are set accordingly. Here are the official uci rules:

http://www.uci.ch/imgArchive/Rules/7tri-E.pdf

I think the main rule differences are:


Bash / Pedal = 1 dab
Put front axel over the tape weather wheel is touching ground or whatever or not = 5 dabs
Time Penalty of 1 dab per 15 seconds over.
Not Riding a Koxx = 75 dabs and not cool enough
Gaps to front wheel = w3rd
In all seriousness though, are there any other major rule differences then the first three i mention? Are we going to ride by the official rules?

[tomacropod]

as with the "BIU" rules we rode with previously, I imagine that a simplified set will be used, given that riders and volunteers are checking, and not professionals who know all the rules (which they may be fortunate enough to have in bigger european comps).

- Joel

[hydroboy]

The biggest rules which arnt followed in australia are:

* Dismount = dab and other leg on same side of bike

* Leaning bars on object = 5, it should actually = 1 dab (hand not on bar is 5)

edit in my experience anyway

[AgrAde]

i was talking to the guy doing the uci worlds here in nz, and i was confused a bit about the rules myself.
is it pedal and bash at the same time = 1 dab, while bash and then pedal down after bash = 2 dabs

or both 2 dabs? both 1 dab?

[pav]

Agrade, Just avoid bash and you will be set!

I think UCI rules will be better also, Ive heard maddick talking about how the comps run quicker and smoother for a better all round comp.
Personally I think I will do better at UCI also because its what a practice cause I fall off bashring if i use it but the comps should be good, 1 dab is not a big penalty for using bashring so the riders that like to use it still can without too much of a price.
Does anyone know of the sort of sectiosn they are making will be made differently, cause i remmber at Maddick's UCI the sections were set to be really easy and I was wondering how they will come out for the UCI comps compared to teh old BIU ones, if anyone unsdestands wat the gay i am asking.

[hydroboy]

have you ever actually been to a comp pav?

:p

[PaulG]

the UCI rule i want in is you have to go through markers in a straight line that means no more dabby dabby front wheel through swing it round then back wheel though OMG we have to ride through sections wootah

[WhiteRavenKS]

i was talking to the guy doing the uci worlds here in nz, and i was confused a bit about the rules myself.
is it pedal and bash at the same time = 1 dab, while bash and then pedal down after bash = 2 dabs

or both 2 dabs? both 1 dab? 2 distinct metal sounds- bash, pedal = 2 dabs

pedal AND bash going down at one time = 1 dab.

some official uci judges are huuuge sticklers for this.

edit- as for going through markers thing- if you build the course right... you wont even give people the opportunity to cheap ass their way though a gate like that. just a thought :)

[AgrAde]

Agrade, Just avoid bash and you will be set!

more of a "crap i slipped onto my bash and i'm falling sideways, shall i put my pedal down to save myself or will i get just as many dabs making a quick plant of the foot so i can lift the bike up onto whatever i fucked up on"

:luke:

cheers kevin

[rush]

I replied to this last night but nothihng happened :wtc:

I have to say im looking forward to UCI here. No more power naps mid-section!

The comp we set at Sparky's was intended to be a bit easier to encourage people to go well, have a good memory of it, and want to return there for the next one.

The other rule we went with was once you were on your bash and or pedal, you couldnt hop on it, and dont laugh, alot of people do it.

:frontwheelgap:

[hydroboy]

I have heard rumors of another class next year as well "pro" or whatever we decide to call it. Personally i dont think this is entirely nesaccery if sections are set up to seperate riders, say in a 5 seciton comp for example:

one or two fuck of hard sections (ie andy will have to dab atleast once)
one or two slightly easier sections
one or two slightly easier again sections
and one hard sport level type section

I think in an elite comp no one should get 0 and no more then 2 or 3 people should get 75. I think a pro class could work fine too however, there would just be more work for organisers and less compeditors in each class, by no means do i belive there are too many in elite, however perhaps there are too many in sport, creating the pro class will lower the level of elite so it is more accessable to sport level riders, anyway my thoughts are shit, but there they are.

[CriPPle]

In the past weve not completely followed biu rules just sorta had our own hybrid set of rules and that often caused alot of confusion

Personally id like us to run as close to uci official rules as possible, and if we want anything different to those rules they should be written down eg. if we want different no. of sections + laps, different section time (or do we want to go to 2:30?), etc. I haven't had a close read of the whole thing yet

Also since it is pretty much always riders observing these days I dont think we need to 'dumb down' the rules as such, riders will want to know the rules properly anyway

[rush]

Exactly PV, we did exactly that at Alan's farm comp and it seemed really good, although Andy did get a 0 I think. Another class is a good idea, we ran with that for 2 comps before there wasnt enough riders then it was stopped. Bascially it lowers the level of elite to a standard even I would be willing to attempt! Which I think is a good thing.

We cant forget that we need to encourage the lower level riders in each class, and by having 1 or 2 easier sections we can do that. Rob I agree with you too, that we should stick to the official rules as closely as possible to keep things totally above board. If neccessary, we can adjust the sections to suit the rules, which Im pretty sure we should be doing anyway.

[hydroboy]

Next time i observe im going to be harsh as a fuck. Yeah. For elite anyway.

[hydroboy]

Im already harsh as a fuck when i ride :rofl: btw.

[rush]

Did you see me flatland a really nasty drop? Thats how I ride normally.

[hydroboy]

How do you qualify for the australian worlds team, if i somehow manage to qualify the uni pays half everything to get there etc apparently.

[rush]

Thats awesome, I think for the Aussie trials team you just have to turn up! :rofl: Nah im not really sure.

[tomacropod]

and you can get out of exams...or at least get them rescheduled...I've thought about it too :-)

- Joel

[hydroboy]

Sounds like a good option.

[pav]

PV, I think you have to win the Nationals or come in top few and the people above you choose not to go. Andy was saying to joe he might have to let him win the nationals so he could go to worlds this year because andy wasnt going to go but it seems cause andy isnt joe still can go and is going. There is also something about australia only having 1 place in the worlds for trials, by that i mean we are only allowed on rider to compete. THats just what ive heard and it could be changed. I think it would be good if we could send alot more riders to the worlds even if they did do shit just for the expeirace of it and to bring what they know back to the country. I know if i ever got good enough i would definately want to go to the worlds. I would want to try even if i wasnt good enough.

As for Pro, i think that in the end there wouldnt be engouh people in it (andy, joe, jono) and then the level of pro would be lowered and then sport would just be split into lower and higher and that would be sport and elite and pro would be a bit harder than the usual elite. Btw i only say those 3 for pro because if it was going to be pro it would have uber size moves and stuff like that and ive been told the others didnt do well at these that usually place.

What PV said about the sectiosn with 1 or 2 hard ones and everything is good, it will force other elite riders to improve more too adn then the comp level will be able to be raised in the end. Wat Kev said is true too, for alot of the markers that were at anakie it was really easy to cheat through them, but had they been moved liek 3 inches you wouldnt be able to do it. Most of them you chould cheat through without dabbing!

pav

[PaulG]

joe got in the team this year i think we are allowed 2 guys but i'm not sure basically you have to be one of the top 2 and your in

[PaulG]

oh and yea i wish the sections where set to be un-dabable and unscumable but it's pretty much the opposite

[hydroboy]

the only section i got through i didnt strato.

[icecreamsammy]

Why would we only be allowed to have 2 people from Oz ride? vinco, coustellier brothers, hermance, caisso etc. are all from france and they all ride the world cups, me no understand why Australia would only be allowed to have 2 cyclists? or am i an idiot and missing something???:?

[stocktrials]

oh thats easy. its proportional and relative to the % of the total population that ride Koxx that determines how many riders can compete.

[hydroboy]

it should be based on the size of the country by land area.

[rush]

Haha for sure, then every rider we have could compete, and only Hermance would represent France :rofl:

Are there any other classes of competition at the Worlds? Im sure there isnt in the actual Worlds event, but at that time, or in that place? Cant type, stupid, 7:00am, up since 4:00am, no coffee,no breakfast :ugh:

[hydroboy]

there is like under 18 and over 18 as far as i know.

[rush]

And that sucks, cause most of the under 18 riders whoop my arse.

[Peace]

yeah uci will be great apart from the fact ill go even worse.... thats it im not gonna bother competing anymore ill just come along to muck around and get drunk.... oooo the word drunk makes me wanna spew at the moment.
Peace

[pav]

there is Senior, whcih is 19 and up, Junior - Up to 19 but not including, i thin ktahts all ausrtralia gets entry in. there are other things too such as Pouces which is like up to 10 years old and Kadets and Scouts, with their various ages. Blue markers are junior i think and yellow or red senior for when u watch comp vids *i think*, its all on the UCI site.

[Lilley]

One question about rules for this year, are you guys going to start enforcing not being able to run single speed in stock class?

In terms of a "pro" class we've experimented with something similar up in Queensland in the past where we had an Expert and an Elite class, essentially Elite being for Joel Nelson and Nick and Dan Pierce. These days we just run Elite. When we did this the two classes ran the same sections but with some harder "big move" lines for the better riders.

We do however run two Sport classes Sport A and Sport B. We also have an intro class. The reason for this is so that we can have Sport level sections that challenge the better sport riders but those people who aren't quite ready for sport A don't have to bore themselves stupid riding over logs in intro. We also have quite a few riders under 14 who are very good bike handlers but who are still really to young to do bigger drops and the like in comps so they run in Sport B. Works quite well.

I'm looking forward to UCI as I figure I can't score any worse then I do already!!!

[hydroboy]

Even if they do enforce the gears rule i wouldnt run gears. Disqualify me or make me ride mod, i dont care, perhaps if im ever placing in elite i will get gears.

[KyleT]

If they enforce the no gears thing its going to piss people off. In my opinion, its a stupid rule anyway

[pav]

I seriously doubt they will enforce the gears thing, they would have already done so for the nationals cause its the same for BIU too isnt it? Not to mention 90% of the Australian population has SS....I wouldnt be surprised if the organisers did.

[PaulG]

i dun really care about the gears thing i'll go in mod if they don't let yu ride stock the have to let you ride mod because the definition of the class is anything goes

[hydroboy]

thats what i used to think, actually, there is a rule in biu that the wheels have to be less then 20" or something.

uci there doesnt seem to be the same rule however

[DRUM]

yeh, i run SS, and id be pretty dissapointed if i couldnt enter in any comps/ the whole competing in mod thing is lame.

[Lilley]

Couldn't agree more, keep the single speed!

That said I'll be competing on mod this year anyway.

[rush]

I believe the gear rule will be enforced this series.

I run SS but its really not going to bother me running a tiny little shifter.

[PaulG]

thats what i used to think, actually, there is a rule in biu that the wheels have to be less then 20" or something.

uci there doesnt seem to be the same rule however
well then another w00t for the UCI rules. i'm so going to print me out another copy of the UCI rules learn them cover to cover and walk around quoting them when people fuck up like the biggest arsehole on the planet. FUN TIMES AHEAD ;)

[Peace]

if they enforce it then i guess i wont be seeing you guys for a long time.... The rule makes no sense and has no advantage or dissadvantage whether you run gears or not.
Fuck ppl move on, the sport and bikes have evolved! (directed at the uci committee)
I will be very suprised and dissapointed if they enforce it.
Peace

[hydroboy]

for me it isnt so much about having a shifter, its about the fact that i have to run a king cog on my bike.

[icecreamsammy]

Im sure (i think?) that for the first season of uci they (who ever they are) will let yall run single speed, they have to give people time to change their set ups, im sure there are people who wouldnt be able to aford to get a new cluster, derailure (if thats how you spell it?) and stuff.:dunno:

[hydroboy]

its also a rule for biu, just no one obeys it. disquallify me motherfuckers.

[PaulG]

its also a rule for biu, just no one obeys it. disquallify me motherfuckers.

:werd:

[icecreamsammy]

ill disquallify all of you interstate fuckers next time you come to Adelaide.
That and i also heard that they may be enforcing the use of bar ends from now on, anyone else heard this?

[PaulG]

yea just get 10c pieces and glue them

[hydroboy]

i heard 5c

[DRUM]

and if you have SS wheel its even more. $$

[tomacropod]

I heard grips that cover the ends of the bars.

- Joel

[GarthMc]

ill disquallify all of you interstate fuckers next time you come to Adelaide.
That and i also heard that they may be enforcing the use of bar ends from now on, anyone else heard this?Just stick a finger in each end :ugh:

[PaulG]

i heard 5c
even better :D

[rush]

Bar ends, handlebars that cover the ends, or cash should be enforced. Nasty apple coring shit.

[PaulG]

ima rock some XC bar ends good for the up hill sprints ya know

[Peace]

yeah my dad saw and saved a kids life by being there to call the ambulance.... cos the kid was at a bmx track and had come off and gouged his inner thigh with the handlebar! Dad said balls of fat n shit were pourin out of his leg (no not his testicles you smartasses) but yeah if dad hadnt of been there the kid woulda surely died from blood loss....

So yeah when my grip wear holes in the end, im gonna be puttin barends on for sure.

Peace

[DRUM]

barplugs

[pav]

buttplugs?

[Peace]

little fuckin bits of plastic that you put in the ends of ya handlebar!!!
poowillybumshit
Peace

[rush]

What else do you guys like/not like about the UCI rules? Depending on what the Committee says, we may not have to follow it to the letter. Ill raise any serious input/concerns at the meeting and see how it goes. It at least means that you guys can have a say, even if you are far away, so dont think im a good lay, just cause I live in a city by the bay. :hsugh:

So anyway, serious?

[PaulG]

i reckon follow it to the letter but it's going to be hard to educate the riders let alone everyone else maye make up some rule sheets

[rush]

Definitely a good idea. It will be hard to educate the riders, but we do have a riders briefing before every comp.

We could also have a board with the most important rules on it at each comp at the Koxx tent?

[Peace]

should tape paper to rocks saying "dont go here you will get a five" actually no thats stupid.
moron.

I think the time limits should be decided per competition and not set in stone, basically take each section as it is and decide a fair time limit for it. eg. the big uphill section at Anakie that was 4min.
sound ok?
Peace

[PaulG]

http://62.50.72.82/imgArchive/Rules/7tri-E.pdf 13 pages of em lol printing now...

[icecreamsammy]

variable time limits is a good idea and the official uci rules allow this too (somehow i bothered to read all the rules)
Also, i think that the rules should be followed as closely as possible to the official uci ones to avoid extra confusion, cos no one will know which rules are being used if we go changing them round. And i think there should be a minimum of 6 gears on a stock bike cos i have 6 gears and ill have a better chance of winning if there are no competitors:Sonic:

[PaulG]

or just set the sections for the time limits

[rush]

The time limits I agree with. It then leaves a little more scope for setting sections differently. I guess I better get reading on those rules. Thanks for that Paulio.

[hydroboy]

Time limits should be flexible but stated clearly to the riders at every comp. At pt elliot the mc said time limit was 2 minutes on the mic, but the mc was an assfuck, so atleast one observer thought the time limit was 2 minutes, when it was infact 3. Anyway aslong as the riders and observers know its all good.

P.S this is the longest thread in the australian section eva except the dan martin one. w00t.

[rush]

And its actually worth posting in!

I just read through the rules and a few things stood out for me. (Just for discussion)

7.2.06 - It is earnestly recommended that each side of the track be marked by strips, 10 to 30 cm high. I really think this is worth doing, it makes the whole sport look more professional, instead of having tape dragging along the ground.

7.2.08 - Each section shall comprise a 3-metre "neutral zone", ahead of the starting line, on which shall be a single participant.

7.2.13 - The maximum time cut for a section is 2'30, thought the jury can adjust the time according to the difficulty of the sections.

7.2.36 (4) - Giving advice (positions) to a competitior riding in the section. Relatives, followers or attendants shall in no case interfere in the competition.

7.4.07 - Normal comercially available 26" wheel mountain bikes, with a mimimum of working 6 gears of different size shall be permitted. :hsugh:



These are just a few things I saw that caught my eye.

[KyleT]

The extra stuff with section construction (the tape and neutral zone) would mean a bit more work on behalf of the organisers, but i guess it would be more UCI-like...

[icecreamsammy]

it would be hella world cup

[rush]

I think the more professional the better, agreed it will take a little more setting, but it shouldnt be too bad.

I also think we should do away with the parts of sections with no tape, bunt the world I say!

[pav]

I think follow each and every rule to the bone except the gears one. As if gears make a difference, people wont use them. Its a bitch to change for no real reason. Other than that the official UCI fuckin rule. Also read up on teh stuff about setting sections. It says something about one big move and tech or something. Not in those words but it imlies that one big obsicle followed by all this other stuff, ive read them a few times in the past and will have to again. I think that it wont be ahrd to learn the rules, we should ahve an intro-UCI comp where it dont count to scores and shit but we teach basic rules at the start, then during the comp introduce more in debth ones. Like the observers say you can and cant do this as they are riding and introduce the more confusing rules to the riders in a real situation. This is also good cause we get prac in comps nd have fun.
UCI will be aweosme when its all in i think, the rules are just sooo much better! THe taping idea is good, it can be soo confusing when you are riding and you dont know where the tape is. It was like that at maddicks and i was like WTF? where next? Tape also can be used to govern how pplz pass through markers. eg. Not the Kleat way.
With UCI are you allowed to pass through a marker more than once? I remmeber rod sayin to joe that you cant for BIU but UCI i think is diff cause in worlds vids riders are always attempting things a few times...

[icecreamsammy]

Yeh, lindsey showed me some footage of him at eildon where he put his fromt wheel thru the gate, but didnt make it up what ever it was, so when trying to get back up, he was only allowed to put his rear wheel thru the gate, which on a hook is rather hard, it fucked him up bad. Then in the world cup vids, like you said, riders are always having many attempts at things where their wheel goes thru a gate, go uci!!!!!!!!!!

[hydroboy]

the prob with having tape off the ground is the objects used to raise it off the ground are dangerous.

[rush]

We had stakes in Vic. but we stopped using them for that reason. I asked about this a while ago, and i think the general consensus was that it was no big deal as long as we had plastic cups on top of the stakes.

In European comps they use stakes with no guards at all on them and no one gets injured or worries about them. I think we need to improve the look and direction of the sections.

Pav you need to use paragraphs :nono: , and its not just Kleat that uses dabs strategically, I do too, and if raising the tape stops/hinders that, then I say lets do it.

[CriPPle]

The stakes we used to use in vic were steel and very tall and very close to obstacles so that if you messed up there was a good chance of getting impaled
The stakes I have seen in comp vids have been little wooden things that would probably fall over if u landed on it
Having said that its only a recommendation not a rule so I dont think anyone will throw a hissy fit if its not done
I would like to see the neutral zones at the section entries though and definitely no more bits of sections with no bunting

With the whole retrying obstacles thing UCI go by the line between the axles not the individual axles, so if the whole 'longitudinal axis' doesnt get through ie. you jump backwards off the obstacle or your back wheel misses the gate I guess you would have to ride the entire bike back through the gate, I think this is much better than our current rules

Also I would like to see 26 inchers with working gears as per the rules but forcing riders to buy new parts for the sake of a rule change kinda sucks, maybe allow singlespeeds for the coming season then phase it in next year

[PaulG]

for the stakes i believe you can buy platic garden stakes that are very thin and only about 30-40cm tall they would just bend or fall if landed on but raise the tape abit. i think the rule that will catch alot out is not going over the tape AT ALL including in the air better practice those steep landings to pivot to keep your front wheel inside

[hydroboy]

Also I would like to see 26 inchers with working gear
Why? Because thats what the rules say? I cant see any advantage in the rule.

[CriPPle]

I just think it would keep in with the original purpose of the 26 class being more or less like mountain bikes, although these days its less rather than more
It really only matters for riders who go overseas and need uci-legal bikes though so its probably not worth bothering with this rule, atleast for the coming season

[hydroboy]

Originaly there were not trials specific stock bikes, so the gears thing was a method for distinguishing between the classes, that is normal mountain bikes and trials specific bikes (mods). Now all bikes are pretty much trials specific so i dont think there is a need, it isnt any harder to compete on a 6 geared bike.

[tomacropod]

the gear rule now makes bikes LESS obtainable and LESS functional because we use SS to make the bikes cheaper, more functional, less susceptible to damage. Making people PUT gears on their bike defeats the original purpose of the rule.

I say ditch the gear rule. People who are going to compete overseas know what they're doing (and have the money/skills to do it).

Class distinctions should be purely wheel size.

- Joel

[Peace]

well basically it looks to me like that rule aint goin to be enforced because pretty much the whole community is against it, so it would be smart to enforce it and have no one rock up to the comp or for everyone to be unhappy.

Its an OLD rule which needs to be updated, the sport has evolved and so have a lot of rules except that irritating one...

BOYCOTT!! hehe :)

Peace

[rush]

Easy fella. Easy!

I will definitely make a strong argument for everyone against it. Anything else?

[CriPPle]

Yep sounds like thats the first rule to be erased

BTW tobe when is the meeting I would like to finally get to one

[rush]

Not really sure yet Rob, hopefully soon so we can get organised. Ill give the Smiths a call tomorrow to see whats happening.

It would be good to see someone other than the usual suspects at the meetings, we usually have beer so thats a good incentive.

I think we should enforce "The shoe rule." :momaru:

[Peace]

hehe jokin bout the BOYCOTT! thing, its not in my nature.....actually ill say its not in my Name....:)
Shoe rule... if thats what i think it is then ill make you ride the whole comp bare foot, so they get tendorised for the bbq afterwards......
Peace

[rush]

:rofl: The worst rule ever, but a great idea, it helps alot as long as its not enforced in any way shape or form.

[pav]

Rush i dont like paragraphs.

Hey, who said we had to use stakes to raise the tape? I guess we could use anything really, stakes are just an idea. Rather than metal or wood ones we can use those plastic things that electricians use to pull wires through walls. THey are not too big and you can cut them down. Along with this they keep their shape straigh unless you bend them, which is easy.

Did anyone check up on the rules to do with building sections, the ones goverining the obstacle specs, etc. I havent had time to check up on them yet. Its soemthing about a bigish move thats challenging, then some technical shit with a big thing and something else then the end comes somewher after all of that.

Also, with observing, most of the time the riders are pretty leniant, will it be this with UCI. I think if we make the switch to UCI we should observe it properly. As in a scrape is one dab, not just let off with it, cause there are people that practice hard for UCI and if others get let off its a bit unfair on them, and its not the official rules.

Does anyone know if we are likely to see more big moves, or more technical stuff or more of everything or less of whatever under new UCI rules. Obviously it being UCI will make it harder for most people so will this be accounted for?

Hows that for paragraphs Toby!!

[rush]

The paragraphs are great Pav. :bigthumb:

The wire things you were talking about are a good idea. I tried to find more on the technical specifications of the sections, I have read it before, but I couldnt find it on the UCI website.

In terms of observing, as long as we are all consistent it should be fine. I agree that we should follow the observation rules to the letter.

As far as difficulty goes, the sections will be altered accordingly I assume. The moves will not be bigger (I hope), I would assume they would be smaller or remain the same if anything.

[hydroboy]

We dont even all have to be consistent, as long as the observer observing a particular section is consistent with everyone in that section. PS Next comp i observe im going to be harsh as shit.

[KyleT]

I think everyone should observe as harshly as one another. If these new rules are enforced, I expect observers to be harsh on me, its the way it is at Worlds, so we might as well.

As for the gearing issue for 26", I honestly don't see the point in enforcing it. It seems as though the UCI wanted to make the 26"ers more like regular mountain bikes, more "stock". Where's the point? Look at everything else on a 26" trials bike, the geometry in particular. It's hardly what I would call "stock" or anything like a regular mountain bike...

[tomacropod]

exactly, it's a redundant rule which can't benefit the sport at this stage.

- Joel

[pav]

Man at the worlds they are so tight with rules. Like if you scrape your pedal thats 1 and they have like 4 people watching you at any one time. Andy said they kept getting him for the leg line crossing the bike during dabbing, they check for all that sorta stuff too!

[sparks]

joe got in the team this year i think we are allowed 2 guys but i'm not sure basically you have to be one of the top 2 and your in
nup 10 riders per team the ten top riders in the country can go is they wish i would suggest must be riding elite at a profecient level contact rod smith for more details

[pav]

Wooo next year i think the team is gonna be full!

[rush]

Ill be in it :hsugh: with my sick internet skillz.

[hydroboy]

im not even sure id get in top ten :rofl:

[icecreamsammy]

it says top 20 in the rules

[icecreamsammy]

i tried to edit, didnt work, if you look at 7.5.02 in the uci rules you will see that: maximum number of riders per country per competition day: 20.

[hydroboy]

10 stock 10 mod?

[KyleT]

Probably something like that

[pav]

Hey guys with all this new change to UCI couldnt you approach the UCI governing body or those people that own UCI or wateva and get financial incentives and shit for the sport? Im sure you could, look at the UCI track championships, TV adverts, billboards, everything all with the UCI logo all over them. If we go for straight strict UCI rules definately think that they might want to help us out a little. It would just mean we dont have dickheads fucking around with it, it would probably maybe even be better to get the dude that runs the trials part or soemthing to help organise stuff with us as done in other countries to make it bigger.

[rush]

Not a bad idea dude, Rod will have more of an idea about that sort of gear, ill ask him.

The meeting is on the 13th for anyone who wants to attend, but let Rod know beforehand.

[pav]

Yeh but if we do get help, you guys gotta not fuck around with it and shit. Also with all this stuff about people hating others and certain peopel doing nothing for the sport...etc. If UCI does help I think everyone will have to get over all of this stuff and just work together. I mean everyone is trying to help it in their own way and all of this stuff is a load of bullshit if you ask me. I hear about how some people cant ride demos and some are getting told off for doing it, etc. All these poeple just want to help out so if we do get help this bullshit with grudges and shit will have to stop and everyone come together or its simply not going to work.

Rush where will the meeting be?
I personally dont know much about hwats going on with trials in australia but from what i do know there are lots of people against each other, not naming names or anything but i dont know that much so i could be wrong. But i think if we were to get anyhtng from UCI people we would all have to come toghether as one large group and put the past behind us.

[GarthMc]

Yeh but if we do get help, you guys gotta not fuck around with it and shit. Also with all this stuff about people hating others and certain peopel doing nothing for the sport...etc. If UCI does help I think everyone will have to get over all of this stuff and just work together. I mean everyone is trying to help it in their own way and all of this stuff is a load of bullshit if you ask me. I hear about how some people cant ride demos and some are getting told off for doing it, etc. All these poeple just want to help out so if we do get help this bullshit with grudges and shit will have to stop and everyone come together or its simply not going to work.

Rush where will the meeting be?
I personally dont know much about hwats going on with trials in australia but from what i do know there are lots of people against each other, not naming names or anything but i dont know that much so i could be wrong. But i think if we were to get anyhtng from UCI people we would all have to come toghether as one large group and put the past behind us.:werd:

[PaulG]

Not a bad idea dude, Rod will have more of an idea about that sort of gear, ill ask him.

The meeting is on the 13th for anyone who wants to attend, but let Rod know beforehand.
just out of interest where is the meeting due to just crashing my car into a pole i'm not kidding either lol it'll need to be close not smellerbie

[rush]

The 'bie' it is unfortunately/fortunately. HAhahahaha you crashed............again :hsugh: Poor bugger.

Pav, there are reasons for everything, legitimate reasons. PM me or email me or whatever and I will tell you whats up.

[DRUM]

We had a comp yesterday. Brisbane is UCI now.. sorta

[rush]

Yay Bris-vegas!!

[DRUM]

woot woot

[jolz]

go VEGAS!!!!!!!!! AKA Ian/blacky/nigga. Only the SA boyz will be familiar!!! hehehe

[Peace]

The 'bie' it is unfortunately/fortunately. HAhahahaha you crashed............again :hsugh: Poor bugger.

Pav, there are reasons for everything, legitimate reasons. PM me or email me or whatever and I will tell you whats up.
oh i have my reasons you cunts! :squint:

Peace

[pav]

Uh Oh.... What did i start now?
I dont care for reasons and shit, but if we were to get external help fighting wont help any more

[PaulG]

sign the petition pavlich .... :squint:

[KyleT]

sign the petition pavlich .... :squint:
Yes pavlova, sign it. And to all the other Australian riders, sign it. Please.

[Dave C]

Why, Kyle?

[icecreamsammy]

kyles a hardcore stock rider now dave, he got joels old levelboss.

[KyleT]

And it's probably the best move I ever made.

[Dave C]

Awesome, Kyle! Prob'ly see you on the weekend.

[rush]

Rules will be sent out soon.

[tomacropod]

awesome, I envisage strong anticipation of this moment in the future!

- Joel

[rush]

Why arent you strongly anticipating it now instead of just envisaging it Joel? Feel it... feel it....

[tomacropod]

I feel it baby, I feel the weight behind my Bottom Bracket making everything all but impossibler than before.

- Joel

[Peace]

deep guys, deep.

Peace