My most useless post ever, yet it makes sense?

[BrettM]

So I decided a DX32 on the front of my bike may be overkill and started looking at what I might want to run instead. I run 36 hole front and rear. Immediately that narrows the choices down quite a bit.

Koxx puts out its front rims in 28 hole and 32 hole. Why no 36? Do people still believe that a 28 hole drilled rim would weigh less than a 36 hole drilled rim? Of course not, especially since Koxx doesn't use eyelets.

I just kind of found all this weird as I'm sure the only reason people run a 28 hole hub is because they think it would be lighter than a 32 or 36, but it isn't at all. This only really applies to the trials world tho that drills their rims.

Just thought it was weird and needed to vent as I'm having troubles deciding what I'd want. Probably stay with the damn Alex.

[Ross W.]

A DX32 on the front? Fuck. That's like bringin a tank to a demolition derby. Too heavy. Rhyno Lite? dunno if they have 36 hole. prolly.

[tamu-hardrock]

well I have a DX32 drilled in the front and I like it because of how wide the rim is, it give me more stability.

however a 36 spoke wheel (fully built) will weigh more than a 28 spoke wheel (fully built), because you have 10 more spokes and nipples on the wheel, there by weighing more.

[bumblechunXX]

i believe the number is actually 8 more spokes...could be wrong though. (36-28=8). yeah, im a math major.

[TheObieOne3226]

Yeah but in a nice eyeleted rim you can drill like 8 inch holes.

[RomanC]

You can get FatBoy by Bombshell in 36h it is 34mm wide and weighs under 600g

[hydroboy]

i think because the koxx rims are only single wall etc etc a 36 hole would be hevier then a 28, who knows but there isnt much material that comes out with each hole in the koxx rim.

[Elan]

rhyno lite xl with drilled-ness.

[silas]

A DX32 on the front? Fuck. That's like bringin a tank to a demolition derby.bringing a tank to a demolition derby is prolly the smartest thing you could do, is a dx32 on the front also? lol

[tamu-hardrock]

i believe the number is actually 8 more spokes...could be wrong though. (36-28=8). yeah, im a math major.
woops, I dont know what I was thinking:nuts:. your right

[jamesb]

If you drill your rims, more spokes means more holes. They may not be as big though? Could save some weight, or none at all.

[bwagner]

or you could just be less of a weight weenie, and just ride a DM24 up front. They come in 36, and are really nice rims. Oh, and I guess you could drill it too;)

You could also just fill your tires with helium instead of air:)

[BrettM]

I love the way the bike rides with the wide front rim, but I'm not liking the weight at the moment. I think I'm gonna try a rhyno lite from 5 years ago I have lying around just to see how that feels.

For the dude who thinks 8 spokes weigh more than 8 holes, go try it, then tell me those spokes are heavier. It might work out with the Koxx because of the single wall, but in a DX32 it won't even be close.

[dingus]

Ive been a using DX32 on the front for a long time now, see no reason to change.

The first front wheel I built with a dx32 is now just a spare rim-brake wheel that is perfectly straight, drilled w/ a 15/16 hole saw.
The one Im using now is exactly the same but on a disc hub.

Im unaware of them being heavy:dunno:

[rush]

Heeeeeeelium :joshers: Heeeeeeeeelium :joshers:

[BrettM]

Ive been a using DX32 on the front for a long time now, see no reason to change.

The first front wheel I built with a dx32 is now just a spare rim-brake wheel that is perfectly straight, drilled w/ a 15/16 hole saw.
The one Im using now is exactly the same but on a disc hub.

Im unaware of them being heavy:dunno:
I'm not necessarily saying a DX32 on the front is heavy. What I'm saying is my rim and tire combo is heavy and the DX32 will hit the road long before the Michelin comp 24.1 light I have on there. I want a lighter front wheel and its either tire or rim that needs the boot.

I'm also from the days of trialsin with 2.1's that weighed in under 500 grams with a Mavic X317 disk rim on the front. I run a King hub and 15/17/15 triple butted spokes and aluminum nipples to a one inch drilled DX32 as well, so its light for what it is.

My original point of the thread was just the possible misconception over fewer spokes means a lighter wheel in the trials world. With my setup that would be false. I don't wanna argue if a DX32 is ok or overkill for the front or not, that is a personal preference thing.

[trialsbug]

I don't know how long this rim will last, but I just drilled a DX32 with 1-1/8" holes. I used a step drill (unibit) and I drilled it by hand without a drill press, but I was very carefull about drilling the holes in the center of the rim. I wish I had a scale because this rim with a King 23h ISO-Disc hub feels much lighter then my previous Echo wheel.


I recomend using a step drill for anyone who plans on drilling rims. It leaves a very clean hole, it cuts thru quicky, and it does not grab the metal and try to break your wrist. I used a smaller one on the mod rim that I drilled and I did not have to deburr any of the holes after drilling.

[hello?]

i just drilled my dx32 today with 1/2 inch drill bits. i workded my way up through 2 smaller drill bits but it still works allright. doesnt look that good though.

[tomacropod]

trialsbug, is a 23h wheel hard to build?

- Joel

[dingus]

I'm not necessarily saying a DX32 on the front is heavy.

I'm also from the days of trialsin with 2.1's that weighed in under 500 grams with a Mavic X317 disk rim on the front. Im not saying it isnt. But its heavier than a X317 with an IRC mythos- what I used to ride; I wanted my front tire to match my rear, the superb El Gato.

I love my 24.1 Light, and my 24.1.
On dx32 TA47 respectively.

I was just thinking that I no longer notice if my bike is heavy, it feels good. like good geometry, things that stabilise you such as good tires and wide rims make up for their weight IMO. Thats how I am unaware of their weight. I guess I could be using a skinnier rim but then Id have to use more psi and still a more foldy tire and harshness, Id rather take the weight.

I think alot of us are from those days and most are not going back. The front tire has more purpose now then it used to.

Oh yeah, this is about holes.

[PJL]

You can get FatBoy by Bombshell in 36h it is 34mm wide and weighs under 600g Actually they are 36mm wide. I am using one on the rear with no problems at all. Very nice rim.

[goose]

According to this:
http://www.bombshellparts.com/products_wheels.htm

The fat daddy (formerly called fatboy) is 726g. That's roughly the same as the DX32 in weight at 765g. Cambria seems to say they're well under 600g, but who do you trust???

http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?id=11072

[JK]

Mavic EX 729 disc is a really nice wide rim in 36h. You can drill it to 7/8" no problem, and you'll have a nice light strong rim. The other option is to dremel out the inside wall from your ALEX and do some sidewall drillings to save a bit more weight.

[dingus]

the weight of the bombshell is much closer to the larger number you mentioned. I drilled mine with two diff size holes because of the shape, was light after that though. Seemed pretty good, not super, Ill stick to an alex.

[AndyT]

kenny said that he wished he could talk about his front rim on the internet instead of training 4 hours a day.

[tomacropod]

:rofl:

I want Kenny's proverbial babies - I'm particularly looking forward to your footage of him. Stylee.

my vote - alex DM24 or Rhyno Lite, have a competition to see how light you and your friends can get them. beat a 410g RL fuckers.

- Joel

[BrettM]

kenny said that he wished he could talk about his front rim on the internet instead of training 4 hours a day.
I'm glad I'm talking and not training an hour a day, let alone 4.

[lucky13]

According to this:
http://www.bombshellparts.com/products_wheels.htm

The fat daddy (formerly called fatboy) is 726g. That's roughly the same as the DX32 in weight at 765g. Cambria seems to say they're well under 600g, but who do you trust???

http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?id=11072
Yea those look JUST like the A-Lab extrusions,.. probly same factory in taiwan. That would make sense since A-lab went to a different alloy,.. now bombshell can sell the backstock of others?

Brett: You should see this gimpy wheel that Bradford built up. It's one of those single wall lighty things and it straight up FOLDED on him after the build. And I don't mean too much tension critical breaking failure, I mean noodle woble "hey guys check this out" that you could flex by hand.

Brad! get your digi and show that off!

Personally I'm running the Try-All 32h XXL with a king (non disc). So I feel ya when it comes to weight woes. The stability is amazing though.

DM 24?

jOeL

[AndyT]

real ballers run tioga dh rims.

[tomacropod]

that's so 2002.

- Joel

[BrettM]

real ballers run tioga dh rims.
I was a real baller once upon a time. Then I got a flat and had to get the tire off the rim. I promptly through the rim out after this.

[tomacropod]

and then threw it out.

- Joel

[AndyT]

I was a real baller once upon a time. Then I got a flat and had to get the tire off the rim. I promptly through the rim out after this.

wtf kind of tire are you running. I can get hot S and comp 24.1 light off with my pinky.

then again i do crunk

[MegamoMidwest]

tires didnt like coming off my tioga either. they reeaaalllyyy liked that rim I guess. I had to break out the 8" steel lever

[Boo_Berry]

even though this probably has nothing to do with your post brett, but did u kno ken @ thetrialsin shop doesn't drill dx32s anymore? i'm severly bummed

anybody have any advice on drilled? besides sticking to a max diameter of 7/8"?

[RomanR]

The Tioga's are indeed sweet. Wide, and 590g undrilled. You've had those already Brett, so you're probably looking for a different rim.

Being bored after building the wheel up, I put 1/2" holes between every spoke on the inside wall, trying to get a few lousy aluminum splinters that were rattling inside, and it worked, so now it's even lighter. I love it though, I haven't had any problems with my light xc tire folding on slanted stuff, something that happened with my rhyno lite.

I had to change my first flat on a Tioga rim, during a group ride. That's something I never ever want to do again. I used huge screwdrivers when I first installed the tire, so I have no idea how we managed with plastic levers during the ride. Props to J.R.B for being strong as hell. Back to psi in the 20's for now.

[BrettM]

The Tioga's are indeed sweet. Wide, and 590g undrilled. You've had those already Brett, so you're probably looking for a different rim.

Being bored after building the wheel up, I put 1/2" holes between every spoke on the inside wall, trying to get a few lousy aluminum splinters that were rattling inside, and it worked, so now it's even lighter. I love it though, I haven't had any problems with my light xc tire folding on slanted stuff, something that happened with my rhyno lite.

I had to change my first flat on a Tioga rim, during a group ride. That's something I never ever want to do again. I used huge screwdrivers when I first installed the tire, so I have no idea how we managed with plastic levers during the ride. Props to J.R.B for being strong as hell. Back to psi in the 20's for now.
I would ride this rim again if I could get the tire on and off even relatively easy. My buddy had I think the same setup you mentioned with the holes and it worked fine for quite a long time. Then all of a sudden on nothing at all the whole thing just gave out.

I got some more conspiracy theory stuff I'm working on with rims, but different than the whole less spokes means less weight. It's just a thought right now so I gotta check some things out. It will hopefully influence my decision, but if the rhyno lite in my shed is 36 hole I'm trying that temporarily.

[BrettM]

even though this probably has nothing to do with your post brett, but did u kno ken @ thetrialsin shop doesn't drill dx32s anymore? i'm severly bummed

anybody have any advice on drilled? besides sticking to a max diameter of 7/8"?
I'm not sure if it stayed this way all the way through, but originally Dylan Korba was the drill master for the triaslin shops rims. He is out for a bit with an arm injury so maybe that is the reason? I really have no idea. Maybe the demand for a pre drilled one was small?

I've done quite a few and basically just measure the distance between the center of two spokes and then use say a sharpened spoke I use and score a line in the rim. Use a punch and hammer to make a small dent and then buy yourself a metal hole saw bit and hand drill away. If you have access to a bench drill use that, but a hand works fine. You don't have to be too too perfect.

[rush]

I would prefer someone else to do it. Too much work.