What is UCI ?

Discussion in 'Observed Trials Discussion' started by KingSaro, Feb 1, 2004.

  1. KingSaro

    KingSaro New Member

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    What is UCI? What does it refer to in terms of the bike itself. I read on the NATS site there would be no discussion of UCI for the new rules and was courious.
     
  2. Pancho

    Pancho New Member

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    UCI = Union Cycliste Internationale

    It is the international governing body of cycling. It holds all world championships in cycling (road, track, XC, BMX, DH, DS, OT). In Trials there are two governing bodies, UCI and BIU. BIU ONLY governs trials, where as UCI governs ALL cycling AND trials. Both governing bodies hold world championships, but there aren't too many riders who compete in both organizations.

    The differences are immense, and the complete rules for both are posted on the NATS website somewhere. Basicly however, the MAIN difference is that in UCI you recieve points for touching or using bashguard or pedal. In BIU, you are free to use your bash/pedal as much as you please.

    UCI=no bash/pedal
    BIU=OK to use bash pedal

    A UCI bike will be more set up to got to rubber, a BIU will be more set up to go to bash.

    UCI are now the rules in the US under NORBA.
     

  3. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound Steffen L.T.

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    Under 2004 NATS rules, it says pedal rests are allowed but it doesn't say anything about bash.
     
  4. Pancho

    Pancho New Member

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    NATS has their own special rules. They are closer to BIU in that bash/pedal are allowed, but they are not full BIU either. They are contemplating UCI, and may ask rider's oppinions this season.
     
  5. WhiteRavenKS

    WhiteRavenKS Well-Known Member

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    i seriously doubt they will let uci rules take over- piss off far too many canucks and stuff. but lets not get into that again. nats rules are pretty different from both uci and biu in the details. the one that everyone pays attention to is the pedal/bash rule which is allowed in nats. i dont think nats makes you wear shoes that cover your ankles and long pants/sleeves (like biu) and i dont think they count taking your hands off the bars while in a dab a five (like uci does). lots of details. who knows why nats came up with their own crazy system of rules that is not the same as either of the two big governing bodies... silly?
     
  6. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound Steffen L.T.

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    I've read all the rules at some point or another and these actually seem to make the most sence. Stupid stuff like shoe/pands/shirt requirements arent specified. Keep the focus on riding fellaz, I dont care how pretty they look or how protected they wonna be. Although helmets should be required in all rule sets. (which it is in NATS, not sure about anything else)
     
  7. WhiteRavenKS

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    the biu rules are partially at fault for the skin suits i hate so much. they fit the rule of long pants and sleeves but dont get caught in freewheels, etc. stupid rules i know but my point was that nats runs on rules that are neither biu or uci and in doing so are not exactly setting the top level riders up for good practice for either body's events which is exactly what the biggest series in our continent should be doing.
     
  8. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound Steffen L.T.

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    OK I have a question;

    I was looking over the result list of the 2003 series, and to my suprise there were many names I knew. Using Kevin and Andrew as an example (in the Expert cat.), who decided that you guys go into the Expert cat.? Could you have gone in the sport and done better? or even the beginner? who/what decides?
     
  9. WhiteRavenKS

    WhiteRavenKS Well-Known Member

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    social pressure is what decides really... yeah, andrew and i could have won sport... but we would have been shunned by our peers. we could have likewise both done pro and been well spanked. you choose for yourself based on how hard the sections are compared to your riding level. if you go a level too high, you know it and drop yourself at the next one (this happens a lot to sport riders who try expert or beginners who try sport). or you can sandbag, go a level below yourself and get yourself an empty victory and plenty of people giving you crap.

    i also could have done better had i not broken my fork before finishing one round... or had an event been slightly better run... neither of which was really anyones fault. well except the fork- capriolo should be fookin ashamed of selling that pile of shat.
     
  10. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound Steffen L.T.

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    thats bad.... so if you win sport (which means you could probably have gotten somewhere in the middle of the expert class) then you could be critisized for it... so you can only get a 100% honest victory by winning pro... bad system, but I cant think of any other reasonable system to use so...bla
     
  11. Pancho

    Pancho New Member

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    You could easily win sport, and probably five everything in expert. The call on when to move up a class is a difficult one.

    When I first moved to expert, I got spanked a lot. However I'd of been sandbagging in sport, so I stayed where I was. I fived everything my first comp, then I started to do a little better. By the end of the season I was a bona fide expert rider. This next season I hope to actually be competitive and to also start looking at what I need to do to move to pro. The jump between any classes is a difficult one, especially sport to expert, and even more so expert to pro.
     
  12. WhiteRavenKS

    WhiteRavenKS Well-Known Member

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    pancho is right- a sport win doesnt mean you are pack fill in expert. some guys that get last in expert could win sport... but a guy that wins sport likley would five a ton of stuff in expert. the jump is a big one from sport to expert. i was just saying that for andrew and myself above- we would catch flak for sandbagging in sport at a nats event.

    if you spend an entire season winning sport with single digit dab totals... time to move up.
     
  13. AndyT

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    After a year and a half of riding I had my first competition, I went with sport. I had never competed before, and sucked the balls off every section- just putting my foot down for no reason...got like 30 points even though I knew I was much better than all the other sport riders.

    A few weeks later learning from my mistakes I did another sport, and got only a few points over all. Sport was a joke at that point, so I did expert for the rest of that seasoln... I 5'ed every single section 3 comps in a row, the 4th one (last of the season) I got one 3 and the rest were 5's. I didn't really care, it was better than getting cleans on everything in sport.


    This is my 4th season doing expert, locally I will do pro and If I made it to a national I don't really know what I would do. I would have no doubt that I could get under 15 points in a NATS expert, but also I would probably 5 most NATS pro lines...which isn't a problem, but injury is rampant when you are forced to ride too far out of your league.


    Kevin and me both had some issues at nationals in 2003, front brake not working nor my legs at motorama...i was fucking pissed. I'll make it out there again some day....
     
  14. Kartoffel

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    Wow, I've been out competition for wayyy too long.

    That is so retarded that NORBA went to UCI rules. :greddy:

    Yeah pedal plants could arguably be counted as dabs, but touching the bashguard? You gotta be kidding me. In the mid 90's UCI rules were laughed at. UCI rules were something that only a tiny minority of euro pansies used.

    Bashrings are meant to be bashed, dammit.
     
  15. Pancho

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    UUUMMMMM no

    UCI 100%
     
  16. Kartoffel

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    UCI weenie :rofl:

    Mostly I worry that widespread adoption UCI rules will result in :greddy: sections. BIU rules encourage attempts at the impossible. There was a pro/expert section at the '98 motorama that was a sheer wall of logs at about a 85 degree angle. Not enough runup to get high enough to hook over the top. To do the section you had to take safety dab halfway up or else planted a frame component on a log halfway up and clean it.

    A purely BIU section wouldn't encourage such madness, coz everyone would just resign themselves to taking a point. Or more likely, the section builders wouldn't even push the limits that hard.

    Another weird thing is the proliferation of ultra long wheelbase bikes. These new long bikes are less flickable. Seems like the length is a band-aid for UCI rules against gapping to bashguard.

    Anyway, I'd ride UCI for the hell of it cause variety is the spice of life, but that doesn't make UCI a good idea.
     
  17. AndyT

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    Kartoffel, you have got to be kidding me man. :greddy: sections?! You gotta get caught up, look at worlds....motorama sectoins are a hilarious joke compared to any UCI event, how about 6 foot high flat face rocks with 8 feet of run up through grass...


    No offense but you seem kind of old school, I really wouldn't be suprised if you didn't know much about the UCI style- and I'm not talking anything about just not hitting bash ring, there are dozens more moves used for UCI that you have no need for in BIU...
     
  18. WhiteRavenKS

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    im also going to have to say you seem to be laggin behind a bit... take a look at the finals sections at worlds this last season and tell me those were :greddy: yeah right.

    saying the long bikes are less flickable is also kinda... well it's inaccurate. i can flick around my longer bikes way better than i could my short ones. you are spinning a bigger radius but you also are swinging a bigger lever with more levergage. they are not les flickable than short bikes, just different in how you ride them.

    also- '98 motorama???? are you kidding? riding has progressed a tad since then. riders have ways to get over stuff like that easy now (top level guys that is). like andrew said- at a world cup in france this last season there was a 6 foot tall rock face that was verticle and had about 10 feet of run up- giacomo coustellier got it to rear. i think he could waltz right over that wall at mo-show from 98.

    why is norba going to uci rules in trials :greddy: ? if a norba event is what qualifies a person to go to worlds (uci governed) then why would we qualify someone under a different set of rules? o wait we have done that for the past 4 years and it has been bass ackwards. if we were qualifying people to go to a biu round, i would certainy expect them to do so under biu rules. it's just common sense to make people ride by the rules they will compete under at the next higher level. hence- norba is uci this season- hooray!