Long frames: need some quick help

Discussion in 'Observed Trials Discussion' started by Patrick, Jan 14, 2004.

  1. Patrick

    Patrick New Member

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    Ok, I know this topic has been beat to death, but could someone who rides a long frame and knows what they're talking about entertain me? I can't find all the info I want...

    *Front wheel tire taps/japzaps: much better
    *Gapping and gapping to front wheel: much better
    *Pedal ups to rear (no tap): harder?
    *Sidehops from both wheels: harder?
    *Sidehops from back wheel: easier?
    *Manuals/spins/bunnyhops: forget about it
    *Pedal up to both tires (no tap): ?
     
  2. thetart20

    thetart20 TartyBikes

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    *Pedal ups to rear (no tap): Better (more room/leverage)
    *Sidehops from both wheels: Better (more room/leverage)
    *Sidehops from back wheel: Better (more room/leverage)
    *Manuals/spins/bunnyhops: forget about it
    *Pedal up to both tires (no tap): Better (more room/leverage)

    Sorted :)
     

  3. Patrick

    Patrick New Member

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    thanks! this helps.
     
  4. Elan

    Elan steve french

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    i ride a zoo! woo .. i am sober now
     
  5. afrobot

    afrobot Aluminum is for recycling

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    OOOOOOOOOoooooh.I can manual, spin etc,I love my elongated Kocx
    I was pondering going shorter but I am glad I got the long bike .
    1085 is the longest a man of your stature should ride.

    do it!
     
  6. Elan

    Elan steve french

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    1085 is my manifest destiny. i donno exactly what tho, looks like cous is hte only option?
     
  7. Patrick

    Patrick New Member

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    Koxx now makes a 1085. Well they call it a 1065, but it measures 1085... weird frogs.
     
  8. afrobot

    afrobot Aluminum is for recycling

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    Yes they dooo and I bet kevvy will make you a nice deal on his Hmmmm.
    Frequent buyer program..
     
  9. Patrick

    Patrick New Member

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    I already tried that angle! I think he likes his XTP and is going to hold on to it for a while..

    Kevin- you have a coos and a new Desalvo coming? jeez.. Sign me up on the frequent buyer program for sure.
     
  10. afrobot

    afrobot Aluminum is for recycling

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    I thunk he had a lb 1065 right before the Xtra Toilet Paper arrived.No?
     
  11. Fast Fashion

    Fast Fashion Youth in Asia?

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    everything is easier on a longer frame. the only things that are not are spins and manuals i guess, but it's trials so it doesn't matter
     
  12. WhiteRavenKS

    WhiteRavenKS Well-Known Member

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    the level boss is no longer in my possesion. i will be on this xtp for a bit i think. depends on how long it takes for desalvo to get me something. then i will see which rides better. i like steel but this xtp is fookin nice. i wont be on a coos unless i get one from the brothers which probably wont happen. i went through more frames lately than most people do in their whole trials careers... god i suck too...
     
  13. Elan

    Elan steve french

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    yea, thats it
     
  14. trialsbug

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    Hey Kevin (or other long frame users):
    What stem length were you using with the Level Boss? I am trying to decide on a stem length for the Pure long that I am getting, but I have no experience with long frames. I am 5'9" and this bike will be set up for comps & natural. I am trying to decide between a 90 x 10 and a 110 x 10 to be used with an Echo bar. Any suggestions?
     
  15. WhiteRavenKS

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    i ran a 110x5deg race face duece on my LB but i found it hard to slap to rear and some other stuff was tough with that set up. then again i am an asian and we are a tiny race of people. im a few inches shorter than you at about 5'6" or 7". if you are doing comps and stuff only and you dont care about spins and maunals and crap like that i would say go for the 110. you may want to look into the titec knock series stems too. they make stems that will fit bulge bars in some more options and with like less rise or more length choices. they are nicer quality than echo stems too (not sure if thats what you were looking at, i just assumed so). hope this helps.
     
  16. chris d

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    I am five ten and i will have the echo combo (90 x 10) i rode a 400mm fork with the 110 x 10 and i will say for some one of your hieght (who isnt kevin) (or andy) the 90 10 will probably feel very good. Talk to time over at trialsin about them he is a great guy and has awesome customer service. He is the man with the echo plan guys.
     
  17. RomanR

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    i remember andy t saying running loooong set ups on koxx's was for 8 foot giraffes. kevin has he tried your bike with that setup? he is fairly taller than you, yet he runs a 80 stem. is it just preference or can he really not stand long setups? ive ran my bars so that theyre almost over the front axle on my zebdi, but if it try to do that when my koxx gets here im gonna look like a small penguin. do you feel too stretched out with your setup or is it pretty much ok?
     
  18. WhiteRavenKS

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    i now have a 100mm x 0deg rise stem and it feels really good to me. i think andrew has about three inches on me in height. i guess some of this just comes down to plain personal preference. i like the say mine rides right now. i may try out some other stuff over the winter but right now i feel really good on my bike the way its set up. i dont think that long set ups are bad for long wheelbase bikes, but high rise set ups are. combos of both like brisa bar/stem is not too good at all. stay low with stems on long bikes i think is the key.
     
  19. Patrick

    Patrick New Member

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    A pre-ordered coos costs only $25 more than a new Koxx.. What to do?!
     
  20. WhiteRavenKS

    WhiteRavenKS Well-Known Member

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    is there any doubt patrick? if you want comp style only riding out of a frame you will be hard pressed to beat out the coos...