2004 NATS, UCI rules a must

Discussion in 'Observed Trials Discussion' started by [BMF]Andy, Dec 2, 2003.

  1. [BMF]Andy

    [BMF]Andy New Member

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    I am surprised no one has brought this up yet, although I understand their are already some pretty set opinions on this subject.

    The NATS Series MUST be run under UCI rules.

    Yes, people will complain, infact lots of people will probably complain. It will also make a number of riders happy though. The problem is that happy people have nothing to complain about so you never here how many people like the idea. You only here who doesnt like it.

    Obviously when the idea of UCI(no bashguard) is initially presented to a trials rider it can be intimidating. I know that the first time I heard about it, it seemed like a strange idea and one that I honestly did not like. I would judge my skill level by the magnitude of each move that I could do, eg. how high of a wall can I up, or how high can I sidehop? Taking away the bashring instantly lowers the magnitude of each move that a rider can do.

    The point is this, most people do not understand that sections set for BIU and sections set for UCI will be designed with the respective rules in mind. For example, if a Pro BIU section requires a 5 foot up and then a similiar section is set under UCI rules, that up should drop to perhaps 4 feet. Another example that more people can relate to is a sport class section. A sport class rider will expect the same style sections with the same average height of obstacles regardless of which set of rules they are riding under. This assumption is incorrect though and is the basis for many peoples resistance towards UCI.

    Another reason to go UCI is the level of riders in the US. At the moment the level of most riders in the US is pitifully far behind that of the rest of the world. I understand that we are not born onto trials bikes as they are in some countries and cycling is not nearly as large a part of our culture as it is in almost all of Europe. This, however, is no excuse to not strive to be as good the rest of the world. The NATS series is the premier series in our country, and in fact in all of North America. If we want our countries riders to be on the level of the rest of the world we can not do them the disservice of having them ride, in our premier series, under a different set of rules.

    Also, riding UCI style is much easier on the terrain than BIU. When everyday people watch a competition they will notice the damage that is done to the obstacles. Even if they see Jeremy V. jap tap a 5 foot wall to bashring and in the process take of a peice of concrete the fact that he defaced the wall will make as much of an impression on them as the incredible move he did. If we want trials to continue to grow as a sport we must impress the people with the money. Businness will be very reluctant to sponsor comps if they think they will be linked to the destruction of property. Many people say, "It does not matter if trials grows, I like the size that it is". This is certainly a valid opinion but does nothing to decrease the validity of this arguement. If a person is to say I am going to continue riding BIU and bashing stuff up because I dont want Trials to grow that is just like saying to an opponent I am going to break your leg because I dont want you to beat me. This is a somewhat extreme example but it gets the point across. Riding BIU, and hence being rougher on the terrain will not help our sport in anyway. Riding UCI and going easier on the terrain can have numerous benefits.

    While the transition to UCI can be a bit abrupt for a rider, It must be done. This years NATS may be a little controversial because of it but within a year it will be accepted as the way trials comps are run. For the reasons mentioned above UCI is certainly the way to go, it will increase the level of riding in the US, and make the sport of Bike Trials more appealing to sponsors.

    The decision to run under UCI rules must be made quickly and advertised well though. This way all the riders will know well in advance what rules they will be riding under and will have the time to prepare for them if the choose to. This will prevent riders from complaining that they did not know about the rule changes or did not have enough fair warning. It must also be well advertised that UCI sections are set with the respective rules in mind. A sport class rider will still be riding against riders of the same caliber and therefore they will all have to deal with the same stuff. Additionally course designers must be told that there sections need to result in the same average number of dabs per comp as a set of BIU sections would.

    If the decision is made quickly and is well executed then the transition to UCI can be relatively smooth. In return the quality of the sport of Bike Trials in North America will improve


    Post on the www.natrials.com forum in support of this, it NEEDS to happen.
     
  2. AndyT

    AndyT New Member

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    I say keep the 5 foot up a 5 foot up...at least at in pro .
     

  3. Elan

    Elan steve french

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    yea, so only two people in at least this state can clean it... :bigthumb: :)
     
  4. [BMF]Andy

    [BMF]Andy New Member

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    Who are the two people in Colorado that can up 5ft to rubber?
     
  5. Elan

    Elan steve french

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    hooks count, right? Jeremy VanSchoonhoven, and Fear and Love. that is what i think... :?
     
  6. [BMF]Andy

    [BMF]Andy New Member

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    aha, I suppose hooks counts.... haha yea I just didnt even think about that
     
  7. AndyT

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    I mean a completely 90 deg box, 5 feet tall with loose gravel run up will be a bit of a stretch...but given adequate run up and the like- I hope to see next year's riders at a level where something like that isn't a huge issue.
     
  8. trialscoach

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    I mean a completely 90 deg box, 5 feet tall with loose gravel run up
    Who in Colorado?

    This moment- no one except Pleska, but he died wrongly a few years ago.

    Given a challenge and 4 weeks to practice- Tom Neb, Ryder Okumura, Andrew Tonkery, Robbie Pfunder, Josh Cummins, Billie Robinson, Mike Snyder, Kevin Shiramizu, Josh Stevenson, Theo Takeda, Patrick McNally, Akira and shoot, I'm only missing like 4 more guys.

    All incredibly great guys, we don't think we're harder than anyone, we just think we TRY HARDER than everyone. We wish you all the best fortune in your trialsin in whatever form you choose...just don't show up here unless you're prepared to RIDE, cuz there ain't no pedal down poo 'round here. Just my take, no one has ever annointed me as the "voice of CO" or anything, although they do call me other names sometimes...
     
  9. WhiteRavenKS

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    like Stepe'

    matt probably can up 5 feet with a hook... josh probably can... andrew if you rode trials could.... mike methinks.

    if we all got our butts worked for a year just think of how much that would push us to get better. with the motivation gained from a year of TRYING to ride stupidly hard uci style stuff we may actually just rise up to that level...
     
  10. AndyT

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    I heard that fear and love guy got it last weekend, and hes going to get a 5 footer on video some time soon...no gravel though.
     
  11. WhiteRavenKS

    WhiteRavenKS Well-Known Member

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  12. AndyT

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    Dunno he put some pics up in the media section- just moved out to greeley. I've seen the wall he wants to try, its about nose height.
     
  13. Faction Bike

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    Fear and Love?.......those pics remind me of this Andrew T guy I know....or is it A Tonkery?

    Serg.... :joshers:
     
  14. AndyT

    AndyT New Member

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    :dunno:

    Have I met you Tryall America?
     
  15. Fast Fashion

    Fast Fashion Youth in Asia?

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    there are people in CO that can do big moves like that, they just don't have the exposure others do.(or want exposure) some also don't have the fundung to keep there bike running when trying high stress moves and the like. I'm sure this is true elswhere as well.

    Serg can deffinately make ups like that, i rode with him last weekend. Elan also rode. Looks like i finally have someone to ride with again. no one else ever calls me to ride or anything.